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		<title>By: Janna</title>
		<link>http://kevinbussey.com/2008/06/19/will-gay-rights-trample-religious-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-8833</link>
		<dc:creator>Janna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 16:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I am one of those you-know-who folks.  Your article is written without love.  I&#039;m a fan of sarcasm, but now when it is used to mask.  I would not want people I care about to read the hatred and lack of understanding.  This is why people do not like the church or Christians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I am one of those you-know-who folks.  Your article is written without love.  I&#8217;m a fan of sarcasm, but now when it is used to mask.  I would not want people I care about to read the hatred and lack of understanding.  This is why people do not like the church or Christians.</p>
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		<title>By: Irving Spielberg</title>
		<link>http://kevinbussey.com/2008/06/19/will-gay-rights-trample-religious-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-8826</link>
		<dc:creator>Irving Spielberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 07:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;God to Same-Sexers: Hurry Up&quot; (which can be found on Google) is a must read for everyone. Since it isn&#039;t copyrighted, it should be reprinted on all sites. The only folks who don&#039;t like it are the you-know-who folks!   Irving</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;God to Same-Sexers: Hurry Up&#8221; (which can be found on Google) is a must read for everyone. Since it isn&#8217;t copyrighted, it should be reprinted on all sites. The only folks who don&#8217;t like it are the you-know-who folks!   Irving</p>
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		<title>By: bret</title>
		<link>http://kevinbussey.com/2008/06/19/will-gay-rights-trample-religious-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-8569</link>
		<dc:creator>bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 16:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BDW:

Regarding your comment concerning conservatives who promote “faith-based initiatives” “vouchers” and other forms of governmental aid to religion.&quot;

I can assure you, as an advocate for abused children in the courtroom, that the children I represent do not see the shoes, backpacks, food, tutoring, etc etc etc, that I supply them with through faith based programs, as some form of governmental aid to religion.  

Likewise, the impoversished single mother who would be able to send their chidlren to a better academic environment doesnt view a voucher as a form of governmental aid to religion, but a chance at a better life for her children.

I would also add that in my humble opinion, gay mariage, like many &quot;liberal&quot; agendas is a direct afront upon God and His Kingdom. 

 Gay marriage attacks the family and its original intent and purpose of  procreating (think about that, we actually assist God in the creation process) and subsequently passing down his Law and Word to further generations.  Similarly, abortion directly attacks the sanctity of life set forth by our Father, envirenmentalism attacks the majesty of God and sets earth worship before Him.  

While we are to follow the rule of government (Rom 13: 1-3), we are also obligated to &quot;obey God rather than human beings.&quot; (Acts 5:29).  There are many examples in the NT and OT of Godly men and women opposing  the rule of government when that rule opposed the Word of God, Peter and John in Acts probably being most prominent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BDW:</p>
<p>Regarding your comment concerning conservatives who promote “faith-based initiatives” “vouchers” and other forms of governmental aid to religion.&#8221;</p>
<p>I can assure you, as an advocate for abused children in the courtroom, that the children I represent do not see the shoes, backpacks, food, tutoring, etc etc etc, that I supply them with through faith based programs, as some form of governmental aid to religion.  </p>
<p>Likewise, the impoversished single mother who would be able to send their chidlren to a better academic environment doesnt view a voucher as a form of governmental aid to religion, but a chance at a better life for her children.</p>
<p>I would also add that in my humble opinion, gay mariage, like many &#8220;liberal&#8221; agendas is a direct afront upon God and His Kingdom. </p>
<p> Gay marriage attacks the family and its original intent and purpose of  procreating (think about that, we actually assist God in the creation process) and subsequently passing down his Law and Word to further generations.  Similarly, abortion directly attacks the sanctity of life set forth by our Father, envirenmentalism attacks the majesty of God and sets earth worship before Him.  </p>
<p>While we are to follow the rule of government (Rom 13: 1-3), we are also obligated to &#8220;obey God rather than human beings.&#8221; (Acts 5:29).  There are many examples in the NT and OT of Godly men and women opposing  the rule of government when that rule opposed the Word of God, Peter and John in Acts probably being most prominent.</p>
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		<title>By: Quinn Hooks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quinn Hooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BDW,
I have to agree that written language does fall short in communicating the emotion intended.  That&#039;s why we have emoticons, right? :P

Having a degree in history from the Citadel and seeing the patterns of other past civilizations, I do not place my faith in the government as some do.

BTW, off-topic, your profile picture didn&#039;t pop up on your blog today.  It remained blank. I just thought you would like to know.

&lt;em&gt;Quinn Hooks&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://sbcghostrecon.wordpress.com/2008/06/19/what-has-barack-obama-accomplished/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;What has Barack Obama Accomplished?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BDW,<br />
I have to agree that written language does fall short in communicating the emotion intended.  That&#8217;s why we have emoticons, right? <img src='http://kevinbussey.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Having a degree in history from the Citadel and seeing the patterns of other past civilizations, I do not place my faith in the government as some do.</p>
<p>BTW, off-topic, your profile picture didn&#8217;t pop up on your blog today.  It remained blank. I just thought you would like to know.</p>
<p><em>Quinn Hooks&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://sbcghostrecon.wordpress.com/2008/06/19/what-has-barack-obama-accomplished/' rel="nofollow">What has Barack Obama Accomplished?</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Texas in Africa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Texas in Africa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 23:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The portions of the 1st amendment that deal with religious liberty are there explicitly to protect churches from the government.  In none of those California cases have the courts found in favor of the plantiffs as of yet, and it&#039;s highly unlikely that they would survive strict scrutiny standards.  As long as they&#039;re not using public funding, private schools have the right to admit whomever they want, and I&#039;d guess that there might be a ban on all types of &quot;message&quot; t-shirts at that public school.  As for the Catholic charities cases, that&#039;s because they were tied up with the federal government, and the government can&#039;t treat one group of people differently from others under the constitution and the principles on which our country was founded.  If those are the best examples that the author of this opinion piece could come up with, then he has a pretty weak case.  

I think that the use of stories like these to scare Christians and other people of faith are just that - a fear tactic.  Just as the government doesn&#039;t tell a minister that he or she has to marry any heterosexual couple (if the minister has misgivings about their relationship, for example), it&#039;s not going to force any institution to perform same-sex marriages.  There&#039;s no legal precedent for doing so, and the first amendment&#039;s protection of free exercise holds pretty strongly in these cases, so long as federal money isn&#039;t involved.  Even in churches taking government money for faith-based initiative programs, those FBI&#039;s are usually set up as a separate nonprofit institution to protect the church.  The government has no interest in interfering in devotional matters.  That&#039;s the beauty of the principle of church-state separation.

&lt;em&gt;Texas in Africa&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://texasinafrica.blogspot.com/2008/06/dear-professor-special-thursday-edition.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dear professor - special thursday edition&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The portions of the 1st amendment that deal with religious liberty are there explicitly to protect churches from the government.  In none of those California cases have the courts found in favor of the plantiffs as of yet, and it&#8217;s highly unlikely that they would survive strict scrutiny standards.  As long as they&#8217;re not using public funding, private schools have the right to admit whomever they want, and I&#8217;d guess that there might be a ban on all types of &#8220;message&#8221; t-shirts at that public school.  As for the Catholic charities cases, that&#8217;s because they were tied up with the federal government, and the government can&#8217;t treat one group of people differently from others under the constitution and the principles on which our country was founded.  If those are the best examples that the author of this opinion piece could come up with, then he has a pretty weak case.  </p>
<p>I think that the use of stories like these to scare Christians and other people of faith are just that &#8211; a fear tactic.  Just as the government doesn&#8217;t tell a minister that he or she has to marry any heterosexual couple (if the minister has misgivings about their relationship, for example), it&#8217;s not going to force any institution to perform same-sex marriages.  There&#8217;s no legal precedent for doing so, and the first amendment&#8217;s protection of free exercise holds pretty strongly in these cases, so long as federal money isn&#8217;t involved.  Even in churches taking government money for faith-based initiative programs, those FBI&#8217;s are usually set up as a separate nonprofit institution to protect the church.  The government has no interest in interfering in devotional matters.  That&#8217;s the beauty of the principle of church-state separation.</p>
<p><em>Texas in Africa&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://texasinafrica.blogspot.com/2008/06/dear-professor-special-thursday-edition.html' rel="nofollow">dear professor &#8211; special thursday edition</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Rick Boyne</title>
		<link>http://kevinbussey.com/2008/06/19/will-gay-rights-trample-religious-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-8537</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Boyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My apologies all the way around.  I was simply making an observation.

The &quot;tone&quot; of the written word can certainly belie the &quot;intent&quot;.

&lt;em&gt;Rick Boyne&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.rickboyne.com/2008/06/cool-invitation.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cool Invitation&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My apologies all the way around.  I was simply making an observation.</p>
<p>The &#8220;tone&#8221; of the written word can certainly belie the &#8220;intent&#8221;.</p>
<p><em>Rick Boyne&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://www.rickboyne.com/2008/06/cool-invitation.html' rel="nofollow">Cool Invitation</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Bussey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Bussey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick,

BDW is a good guy who has a passionate faith.  I respect him &amp; consider him a friend.  I don&#039;t think he is angry- just passionate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick,</p>
<p>BDW is a good guy who has a passionate faith.  I respect him &amp; consider him a friend.  I don&#8217;t think he is angry- just passionate.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Daddy Weave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Daddy Weave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now if you have something substantive to add to this discussion on gay marriage, the First Amendment, free exercise rights of Christians, use of foreign law in Supreme Court decisions, or the reliance of Christians on secular authority - well please chime in.

&lt;em&gt;Big Daddy Weave&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2008/06/fred-shuttlesworth-to-be-honored-at-cbf.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fred Shuttlesworth To Be Honored At CBF&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now if you have something substantive to add to this discussion on gay marriage, the First Amendment, free exercise rights of Christians, use of foreign law in Supreme Court decisions, or the reliance of Christians on secular authority &#8211; well please chime in.</p>
<p><em>Big Daddy Weave&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2008/06/fred-shuttlesworth-to-be-honored-at-cbf.html' rel="nofollow">Fred Shuttlesworth To Be Honored At CBF</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Big Daddy Weave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Daddy Weave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow Rick,

I haven&#039;t been called &quot;angry&quot; in a long long long...never.

What exactly about my posts makes you think that I&#039;m &quot;angry&quot; ?  

Surprisingly, through the blogosphere I&#039;ve developed more than a few friendships with those whose theology is much much much more conservative than mine.  

I&#039;m not sure any of those guys would call me angry.  Maybe sarcastic at times but definitely not angry.  Actually, I know they wouldn&#039;t.

Now if you equate being angry with being right, well I guess we all strive to be &quot;angry,&quot; huh?

And apparently you think Mainstream Baptists are an &quot;angry&quot; bunch?  

Honestly, that may say more about you and your thinking than about me.  For what it&#039;s worth, I&#039;ve never described myself as a mainstream Baptist.  

Perhaps you had some issues growing when it comes to thinking before speaking.  I&#039;m pretty sure that I don&#039;t have those same issues.  I write.  I publish.  I even speak on occasion.  I&#039;m a doctoral student - that&#039;s what I do.  I guess you&#039;re a preacher?  If so, I guess that helps me understand your unsolicited advice.

&lt;em&gt;Big Daddy Weave&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2008/06/fred-shuttlesworth-to-be-honored-at-cbf.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fred Shuttlesworth To Be Honored At CBF&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow Rick,</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t been called &#8220;angry&#8221; in a long long long&#8230;never.</p>
<p>What exactly about my posts makes you think that I&#8217;m &#8220;angry&#8221; ?  </p>
<p>Surprisingly, through the blogosphere I&#8217;ve developed more than a few friendships with those whose theology is much much much more conservative than mine.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure any of those guys would call me angry.  Maybe sarcastic at times but definitely not angry.  Actually, I know they wouldn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Now if you equate being angry with being right, well I guess we all strive to be &#8220;angry,&#8221; huh?</p>
<p>And apparently you think Mainstream Baptists are an &#8220;angry&#8221; bunch?  </p>
<p>Honestly, that may say more about you and your thinking than about me.  For what it&#8217;s worth, I&#8217;ve never described myself as a mainstream Baptist.  </p>
<p>Perhaps you had some issues growing when it comes to thinking before speaking.  I&#8217;m pretty sure that I don&#8217;t have those same issues.  I write.  I publish.  I even speak on occasion.  I&#8217;m a doctoral student &#8211; that&#8217;s what I do.  I guess you&#8217;re a preacher?  If so, I guess that helps me understand your unsolicited advice.</p>
<p><em>Big Daddy Weave&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2008/06/fred-shuttlesworth-to-be-honored-at-cbf.html' rel="nofollow">Fred Shuttlesworth To Be Honored At CBF</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Rick Boyne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Boyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron,

I&#039;ve seen you comment on many different blogs before, but have never looked at your blog or even your profile until just now.  I was wondering what it was about your posts that made you sound so angry.

Then, I found out that you&#039;re a 25 year old kid who has thrown your lot in with Mainstream Baptists.  

That helps explain it.

I remember how impulsive and quick to speak I was at 25 or even 35.  Even at nearly 44, I don&#039;t have it under control.  I also remember how &quot;right&quot; I was about everything at 25.  I haven&#039;t quite got that one fixed yet, either.

I have nothing against 25 year olds, nor against you; please don&#039;t get me wrong.  But here&#039;s some unsolicited advice; obviously you can take it or leave it:   Just try to not sound so angry.  (or so &quot;right&quot;)

&lt;em&gt;Rick Boyne&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.rickboyne.com/2008/06/cool-invitation.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cool Invitation&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen you comment on many different blogs before, but have never looked at your blog or even your profile until just now.  I was wondering what it was about your posts that made you sound so angry.</p>
<p>Then, I found out that you&#8217;re a 25 year old kid who has thrown your lot in with Mainstream Baptists.  </p>
<p>That helps explain it.</p>
<p>I remember how impulsive and quick to speak I was at 25 or even 35.  Even at nearly 44, I don&#8217;t have it under control.  I also remember how &#8220;right&#8221; I was about everything at 25.  I haven&#8217;t quite got that one fixed yet, either.</p>
<p>I have nothing against 25 year olds, nor against you; please don&#8217;t get me wrong.  But here&#8217;s some unsolicited advice; obviously you can take it or leave it:   Just try to not sound so angry.  (or so &#8220;right&#8221;)</p>
<p><em>Rick Boyne&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://www.rickboyne.com/2008/06/cool-invitation.html' rel="nofollow">Cool Invitation</a></em></p>
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