Comments on: ‘Porn pastor’ brings Jesus to Exxxotica http://kevinbussey.com/2008/04/21/porn-pastor-brings-jesus-to-exxxotica/ confessions of a follower of Jesus Christ struggling to recover from legalism Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:19:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Kevin Bussey http://kevinbussey.com/2008/04/21/porn-pastor-brings-jesus-to-exxxotica/#comment-6556 Kevin Bussey Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:14:57 +0000 http://kevinbussey.com/?p=900#comment-6556 A3, Craig doesn't deceive anyone. The Bibles just have a different cover on them. The word "deceptive" came from the author of the article. Everyone in the porn industry knows what Craig is up to. There is no deception at all. The XXX Church guys led a famous porn producer to Christ recently. A3,

Craig doesn’t deceive anyone. The Bibles just have a different cover on them. The word “deceptive” came from the author of the article.

Everyone in the porn industry knows what Craig is up to. There is no deception at all. The XXX Church guys led a famous porn producer to Christ recently.

]]> By: AskAnAtheist.org http://kevinbussey.com/2008/04/21/porn-pastor-brings-jesus-to-exxxotica/#comment-6555 AskAnAtheist.org Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:04:08 +0000 http://kevinbussey.com/?p=900#comment-6555 <strong>Neil,</strong> Glad we're talking again :) I'm not sure how 1 Thessalonians 2:2-6 applies to the question of when deception is OK as a gambit for preaching the gospel. Are you saying it is not OK because of Paul's example? <strong>Bob,</strong> <blockquote> I don’t know what a “deceptively packaged bible” is </blockquote> I'm guessing it is one that does not appear to be a bible until one examines it more closely, and the intent would be to get it into someone's hand that might not accept it if it looked like a bible. <blockquote> Philippians 1:15-18 </blockquote> Good point! On the other hand, isn't it possible to lose more people than you gain by a bad example (deception in this case)? <strong>Kevin and Stuart,</strong> Did I miss something? The article said that Craig Gross was "passing out the deceptively packaged Bibles." Isn't he the pastor of the XXXChurch? <blockquote> Way to miss the point of the entire article though </blockquote> Oh. Sorry. I should have realized that the point of the article was about sharing the "truth" ;) Neil,

Glad we’re talking again :)

I’m not sure how 1 Thessalonians 2:2-6 applies to the question of when deception is OK as a gambit for preaching the gospel. Are you saying it is not OK because of Paul’s example?

Bob,

I don’t know what a “deceptively packaged bible” is

I’m guessing it is one that does not appear to be a bible until one examines it more closely, and the intent would be to get it into someone’s hand that might not accept it if it looked like a bible.

Philippians 1:15-18

Good point! On the other hand, isn’t it possible to lose more people than you gain by a bad example (deception in this case)?

Kevin and Stuart,

Did I miss something? The article said that Craig Gross was “passing out the deceptively packaged Bibles.” Isn’t he the pastor of the XXXChurch?

Way to miss the point of the entire article though

Oh. Sorry. I should have realized that the point of the article was about sharing the “truth” ;)

]]> By: Quinn Hooks http://kevinbussey.com/2008/04/21/porn-pastor-brings-jesus-to-exxxotica/#comment-6554 Quinn Hooks Mon, 21 Apr 2008 23:44:11 +0000 http://kevinbussey.com/?p=900#comment-6554 The description of the Bibles shows the writer's bias. This guy has a special ministry and difficult mission field. XXXChurch also has excellent accountability software, too. <em>Quinn Hooks's last blog post..<a href='http://sbcghostrecon.wordpress.com/2008/04/20/hamas-terrorists-attack-israel-as-carter-meets-with-their-leaders/' rel="nofollow">Hamas terrorists attack Israel as Carter meets with their leaders</a></em> The description of the Bibles shows the writer’s bias. This guy has a special ministry and difficult mission field. XXXChurch also has excellent accountability software, too.

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]]> By: Kevin Bussey http://kevinbussey.com/2008/04/21/porn-pastor-brings-jesus-to-exxxotica/#comment-6544 Kevin Bussey Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:05:56 +0000 http://kevinbussey.com/?p=900#comment-6544 Man, I just got spammed by a bunch of PORN sites. I guess you don't go after those people without a fight. <em>Kevin Bussey's last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ConfessionsOfARecoveringPharisee/~3/274920230/' rel="nofollow">Oprah’s Big Give? or Big Whine?</a></em> Man,

I just got spammed by a bunch of PORN sites. I guess you don’t go after those people without a fight.

Kevin Bussey’s last blog post..Oprah’s Big Give? or Big Whine?

]]> By: Kevin Bussey http://kevinbussey.com/2008/04/21/porn-pastor-brings-jesus-to-exxxotica/#comment-6543 Kevin Bussey Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:07:57 +0000 http://kevinbussey.com/?p=900#comment-6543 Damian, I agree with you. That is why my wife and I take up the responsibility of teaching sex education to our children. Plus they see us loving each other. <em>Kevin Bussey's last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ConfessionsOfARecoveringPharisee/~3/274563175/' rel="nofollow">‘Porn pastor’ brings Jesus to Exxxotica</a></em> Damian,

I agree with you. That is why my wife and I take up the responsibility of teaching sex education to our children. Plus they see us loving each other.

Kevin Bussey’s last blog post..‘Porn pastor’ brings Jesus to Exxxotica

]]> By: Damian http://kevinbussey.com/2008/04/21/porn-pastor-brings-jesus-to-exxxotica/#comment-6542 Damian Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:56:33 +0000 http://kevinbussey.com/?p=900#comment-6542 I've found that the best cure for porn is a better understanding of biology. Once you recognise the biological reasons for our strong sexual urges the porn industry loses all of its appeal. Love and sex remains attractive but watching others becomes bizarre. I’ve found that the best cure for porn is a better understanding of biology. Once you recognise the biological reasons for our strong sexual urges the porn industry loses all of its appeal. Love and sex remains attractive but watching others becomes bizarre.

]]> By: stuart http://kevinbussey.com/2008/04/21/porn-pastor-brings-jesus-to-exxxotica/#comment-6535 stuart Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:03:26 +0000 http://kevinbussey.com/?p=900#comment-6535 And AskAtheiest on the "deceptively packaged bibles" that's someone's opinion who wrote the article. I've seen the bibles you're not going to mistake them for a free playboy mag. A book that says "Jesus Love Porn Stars" huge on the front deceptive? Way to miss the point of the entire article though. You get a gold star. <em>stuart's last blog post..<a href='http://stuartdelony.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/community/' rel="nofollow">Community</a></em> And AskAtheiest on the “deceptively packaged bibles” that’s someone’s opinion who wrote the article. I’ve seen the bibles you’re not going to mistake them for a free playboy mag. A book that says “Jesus Love Porn Stars” huge on the front deceptive? Way to miss the point of the entire article though. You get a gold star.

stuart’s last blog post..Community

]]> By: Kevin Bussey http://kevinbussey.com/2008/04/21/porn-pastor-brings-jesus-to-exxxotica/#comment-6534 Kevin Bussey Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:02:29 +0000 http://kevinbussey.com/?p=900#comment-6534 Stuart, You and I both know it is a problem in our churches. Anyone who says it isn't is fooling themselves. <em>Kevin Bussey's last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ConfessionsOfARecoveringPharisee/~3/274563175/' rel="nofollow">‘Porn pastor’ brings Jesus to Exxxotica</a></em> Stuart,

You and I both know it is a problem in our churches. Anyone who says it isn’t is fooling themselves.

Kevin Bussey’s last blog post..‘Porn pastor’ brings Jesus to Exxxotica

]]> By: stuart http://kevinbussey.com/2008/04/21/porn-pastor-brings-jesus-to-exxxotica/#comment-6533 stuart Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:00:07 +0000 http://kevinbussey.com/?p=900#comment-6533 They are a great ministry and a very necessary one. Besides going to porn conventions, they also put on events for churches. I was pushing to get them out to do a 'porn and pancakes' breakfast event at our church, but no one was interested saying that 'it's not a problem in our church' and 'we don't want to advertise for something like that'... Is porn a dirty little secret in our churches today? You bet- one that we don't want to acknowledge or admit. <em>stuart's last blog post..<a href='http://stuartdelony.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/community/' rel="nofollow">Community</a></em> They are a great ministry and a very necessary one.

Besides going to porn conventions, they also put on events for churches. I was pushing to get them out to do a ‘porn and pancakes’ breakfast event at our church, but no one was interested saying that ‘it’s not a problem in our church’ and ‘we don’t want to advertise for something like that’… Is porn a dirty little secret in our churches today? You bet- one that we don’t want to acknowledge or admit.

stuart’s last blog post..Community

]]> By: Kevin Bussey http://kevinbussey.com/2008/04/21/porn-pastor-brings-jesus-to-exxxotica/#comment-6527 Kevin Bussey Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:58:44 +0000 http://kevinbussey.com/?p=900#comment-6527 A3, XXX Church didn't say they sent out deceptive Bibles. The author of the article did. I think Craig is well known in the Porn circles so he doesn't hide anything. <em>Kevin Bussey's last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ConfessionsOfARecoveringPharisee/~3/274563175/' rel="nofollow">‘Porn pastor’ brings Jesus to Exxxotica</a></em> A3,

XXX Church didn’t say they sent out deceptive Bibles. The author of the article did. I think Craig is well known in the Porn circles so he doesn’t hide anything.

Kevin Bussey’s last blog post..‘Porn pastor’ brings Jesus to Exxxotica

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