Comments on: Church sued after “slaying in the Spirit.” http://kevinbussey.com/2007/05/11/church-sued-after-slaying-in-the-spirit/ confessions of a follower of Jesus Christ struggling to recover from legalism Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:17:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Paul http://kevinbussey.com/2007/05/11/church-sued-after-slaying-in-the-spirit/#comment-1696 Paul Tue, 15 May 2007 05:26:51 +0000 http://kevinbussey.com/?p=320#comment-1696 If this woman really knew her Pentecostal theology I would think that she would be suing the Holy Spirit, not the church. After all, she wasn't "slain in the church," but "slain in the Spirit." If I were the pastor that might well be my defense. If this woman really knew her Pentecostal theology I would think that she would be suing the Holy Spirit, not the church. After all, she wasn’t “slain in the church,” but “slain in the Spirit.” If I were the pastor that might well be my defense.

]]> By: retroman http://kevinbussey.com/2007/05/11/church-sued-after-slaying-in-the-spirit/#comment-1704 retroman Fri, 11 May 2007 20:23:58 +0000 http://kevinbussey.com/?p=320#comment-1704 I am inclined to agree with Tom's point. I've seen people take some hard spills and the "catcher" missed them, and they are absolutely fine. I had a friend smack his head on a pew and was fine afterwards! I've heard a rumor that in New Zealand they don't have catchers since they only want people to fall if it's for real. Hearsay! I am inclined to agree with Tom’s point. I’ve seen people take some hard spills and the “catcher” missed them, and they are absolutely fine. I had a friend smack his head on a pew and was fine afterwards! I’ve heard a rumor that in New Zealand they don’t have catchers since they only want people to fall if it’s for real. Hearsay!

]]> By: Tom Bryant http://kevinbussey.com/2007/05/11/church-sued-after-slaying-in-the-spirit/#comment-1703 Tom Bryant Fri, 11 May 2007 17:24:19 +0000 http://kevinbussey.com/?p=320#comment-1703 You would think if the Holy Spirit had really "slain them" (i have my own opinions about that) He would have "thought" to keep them from hurting themselves. :) You would think if the Holy Spirit had really “slain them” (i have my own opinions about that) He would have “thought” to keep them from hurting themselves. :)

]]> By: Geoff http://kevinbussey.com/2007/05/11/church-sued-after-slaying-in-the-spirit/#comment-1702 Geoff Fri, 11 May 2007 17:06:23 +0000 http://kevinbussey.com/?p=320#comment-1702 Seems to me that if she didn't want to hit her head, she should have stayed vertical. But seriously ... as the list of "victims" for "hate crimes" (i.e. the politically correct policing of thought behind crimes) continues to grow, the church is going to become more and more open to lawsuits and criminal action on behalf of those who consider biblical standards to be "hate speech." There will, at some point, be a government office that reviews sermons in search of "hate speech' that can be used as evidence of "hate crimes." It is coming. I recently posted on the subject, and have received some interesting comments. http://geoffbaggett.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/when-did-hate-become-an-actual-crime/ Seems to me that if she didn’t want to hit her head, she should have stayed vertical.

But seriously … as the list of “victims” for “hate crimes” (i.e. the politically correct policing of thought behind crimes) continues to grow, the church is going to become more and more open to lawsuits and criminal action on behalf of those who consider biblical standards to be “hate speech.” There will, at some point, be a government office that reviews sermons in search of “hate speech’ that can be used as evidence of “hate crimes.” It is coming.

I recently posted on the subject, and have received some interesting comments.

http://geoffbaggett.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/when-did-hate-become-an-actual-crime/

]]> By: marie http://kevinbussey.com/2007/05/11/church-sued-after-slaying-in-the-spirit/#comment-1701 marie Fri, 11 May 2007 16:22:48 +0000 http://kevinbussey.com/?p=320#comment-1701 This really happened... Quite a few years ago, the youth group from the church I attended at that time, went on a yearly retreat to the Gulfshores, AL. On their way home, they were broadsided by a vehicle carrying a popular college football star. (He was not the driver). The football star was killed. The fault was entirely the driver of the vehicle carrying the "star". She ran a red light in order to crash into our church van. The driver later sued the church! I don't know what her claims were, but the whole thing was rediculous and caused a lot of time and money to be spent on defense. She dropped the suit when she realized she was not going to win. This really happened…

Quite a few years ago, the youth group from the church I attended at that time, went on a yearly retreat to the Gulfshores, AL.

On their way home, they were broadsided by a vehicle carrying a popular college football star. (He was not the driver). The football star was killed.

The fault was entirely the driver of the vehicle carrying the “star”. She ran a red light in order to crash into our church van.

The driver later sued the church! I don’t know what her claims were, but the whole thing was rediculous and caused a lot of time and money to be spent on defense.

She dropped the suit when she realized she was not going to win.

]]> By: kevin bussey http://kevinbussey.com/2007/05/11/church-sued-after-slaying-in-the-spirit/#comment-1700 kevin bussey Fri, 11 May 2007 16:11:10 +0000 http://kevinbussey.com/?p=320#comment-1700 Kat, Great question. 1st I won't criticize another pastor or church because I don't what all they did. 2nd who in the world would expected what happened. 3rd you never can predict what will happen in a spiritual battle. I have dealt with some strange situations before. Many of the times the people say they want help but they aren't ready to really do what is necessary. A spiritual battle is much more difficult than an addiction. The VT tragedy was just plain sad and I just pray God will give me wisdom & discernment if I'm faced with people like him. Kat,

Great question.

1st I won’t criticize another pastor or church because I don’t what all they did. 2nd who in the world would expected what happened. 3rd you never can predict what will happen in a spiritual battle.

I have dealt with some strange situations before. Many of the times the people say they want help but they aren’t ready to really do what is necessary.

A spiritual battle is much more difficult than an addiction. The VT tragedy was just plain sad and I just pray God will give me wisdom & discernment if I’m faced with people like him.

]]> By: Matt Knight http://kevinbussey.com/2007/05/11/church-sued-after-slaying-in-the-spirit/#comment-1699 Matt Knight Fri, 11 May 2007 15:33:25 +0000 http://kevinbussey.com/?p=320#comment-1699 Well, this article didn't give much specificity, but from what it says it appears that the pastor did try to make things right and help the woman with her insurance. It seems to me that she should try hard to make things right between her and the church--even if that means they pay her medical expenses. Suing should be a last resort, especially suing a church! If you ask me, our culture is <i>far</i> too litigious! We don't always need overpaid lawyers and courts to help us solve our differences, too many of these suits are filed out of greed. Well, this article didn’t give much specificity, but from what it says it appears that the pastor did try to make things right and help the woman with her insurance. It seems to me that she should try hard to make things right between her and the church–even if that means they pay her medical expenses. Suing should be a last resort, especially suing a church!
If you ask me, our culture is far too litigious! We don’t always need overpaid lawyers and courts to help us solve our differences, too many of these suits are filed out of greed.

]]> By: retroman http://kevinbussey.com/2007/05/11/church-sued-after-slaying-in-the-spirit/#comment-1698 retroman Fri, 11 May 2007 13:52:41 +0000 http://kevinbussey.com/?p=320#comment-1698 God help us. I've both undergone "inner healing / deliverance / exorcism" and been trained in it. Bottom line is the same as many other gifts available to us, including salvation. Although Jesus has given us power to be free, the person has to be willing to receive it. This includes being willing to forgive, or "willing to be willing" to forgive, as a primary step. I don't want to vilify this troubled assassin from Va Tech, but I would be loath to side against the church! Kat's proposal/comment is tongue-in-cheek, but plausible in this ridiculously litigious culture. By extension (a big extension) the families of 400 murder victims in Philadelphia where I live should sue the church for not praying hard enough! <a href="http://christiansbehaving.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">CBB</a> God help us. I’ve both undergone “inner healing / deliverance / exorcism” and been trained in it. Bottom line is the same as many other gifts available to us, including salvation.

Although Jesus has given us power to be free, the person has to be willing to receive it. This includes being willing to forgive, or “willing to be willing” to forgive, as a primary step. I don’t want to vilify this troubled assassin from Va Tech, but I would be loath to side against the church!

Kat’s proposal/comment is tongue-in-cheek, but plausible in this ridiculously litigious culture. By extension (a big extension) the families of 400 murder victims in Philadelphia where I live should sue the church for not praying hard enough! CBB

]]> By: Kat http://kevinbussey.com/2007/05/11/church-sued-after-slaying-in-the-spirit/#comment-1697 Kat Fri, 11 May 2007 12:04:01 +0000 http://kevinbussey.com/?p=320#comment-1697 Kevin- Somewhat less tongue-in-cheek... What is your take on the news that the family of the VTech killer had asked help from a church for healing/exorcism some time before the killings? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/05/AR2007050501221.html How are churches to respond to situations like that one? Nobody's sued them yet for not helping this young man, but I'm sure there are lawyers out there who would like to. What should a church do when faced with a request like this? Kat Kevin-
Somewhat less tongue-in-cheek…
What is your take on the news that the family of the VTech killer had asked help from a church for healing/exorcism some time before the killings?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/05/AR2007050501221.html
How are churches to respond to situations like that one? Nobody’s sued them yet for not helping this young man, but I’m sure there are lawyers out there who would like to. What should a church do when faced with a request like this?
Kat

]]> By: Francoise http://kevinbussey.com/2007/05/11/church-sued-after-slaying-in-the-spirit/#comment-1695 Francoise Fri, 11 May 2007 11:09:25 +0000 http://kevinbussey.com/?p=320#comment-1695 MIT, words fail. 8( MIT, words fail. 8(

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